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It appears that DHCPv6 is not yet supported by omshell / OMAPI?

man omshell has no discussion of DHCPv6 specific things / IP addresses etc...

Attempting to use omshell to view a lease results in complaints about precision .. example:

> new lease

obj: lease

> set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:666

<STDIN> line 1: 2001 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:

                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 2e50 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:

                        ^

<STDIN> line 1: 444 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:

                                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 555 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:

                                      ^

<STDIN> line 1: 666 exceeds max (255) for precision.


^

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> open

can't open object: not found

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> 


Does anyone know if there are plans to implement OMAPI support in DHCPv6?

Or am I just doing something wrong?



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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

Hillary Nelson
I don't think it's supported... the question has been came up several time in the past but never got answered, it'll be great to know if ISC still plan to support OMAPI for DHCPv6 or not.

Hillary


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM, perl-list <[hidden email]> wrote:
It appears that DHCPv6 is not yet supported by omshell / OMAPI?

man omshell has no discussion of DHCPv6 specific things / IP addresses etc...

Attempting to use omshell to view a lease results in complaints about precision .. example:

> new lease

obj: lease

> set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:666

<STDIN> line 1: 2001 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:

                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 2e50 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:

                        ^

<STDIN> line 1: 444 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:

                                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 555 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:

                                      ^

<STDIN> line 1: 666 exceeds max (255) for precision.


^

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> open

can't open object: not found

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> 


Does anyone know if there are plans to implement OMAPI support in DHCPv6?

Or am I just doing something wrong?



Thank you,

-Darren

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I agree!  Love to see a response from ISC.  At least a response confirming that it isn't currently supported would be welcomed.


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I don't think it's supported... the question has been came up several time in the past but never got answered, it'll be great to know if ISC still plan to support OMAPI for DHCPv6 or not.

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Hillary Nelson
I really like David Hankins era, he has always been very responsive and explains things in detail. I wonder if there is still ISC staff monitor this list, or they try to encourage people to subscribe  ISC's DHCP Support and get questions answered there :)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, perl-list <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree!  Love to see a response from ISC.  At least a response confirming that it isn't currently supported would be welcomed.


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Subject: Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

I don't think it's supported... the question has been came up several time in the past but never got answered, it'll be great to know if ISC still plan to support OMAPI for DHCPv6 or not.

Hillary



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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

Thomas Markwalder
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Hello:

At this point in time, we do not have plans to extend OMAPI to support DHCPv6.  ISC DHCP is our legacy product and our primary development efforts are focused on it's successor, Kea.

Kea provides a REST API for issuing commands in JSON text.  This API is growing with each release and will offer a much richer set of abilities.  The current release of Kea, 1.2.0, added a control agent which provides an HTTP interface for issuing commands to and getting responses from Kea servers.  It also added commands to support host reservation management.

https://www.isc.org/kea-1-2/

Our next release, 1.3 adds commands to support lease and subnet management.

The Kea project wiki is here:

http://kea.isc.org/wiki

Regards,

Thomas Markwalder
ISC Software Engineering

On 8/18/17 10:12 AM, Hillary Nelson wrote:
I don't think it's supported... the question has been came up several time in the past but never got answered, it'll be great to know if ISC still plan to support OMAPI for DHCPv6 or not.

Hillary


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM, perl-list <[hidden email]> wrote:
It appears that DHCPv6 is not yet supported by omshell / OMAPI?

man omshell has no discussion of DHCPv6 specific things / IP addresses etc...

Attempting to use omshell to view a lease results in complaints about precision .. example:

> new lease

obj: lease

> set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:666

<STDIN> line 1: 2001 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:

                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 2e50 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:

                        ^

<STDIN> line 1: 444 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:

                                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 555 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:

                                      ^

<STDIN> line 1: 666 exceeds max (255) for precision.


^

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> open

can't open object: not found

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> 


Does anyone know if there are plans to implement OMAPI support in DHCPv6?

Or am I just doing something wrong?



Thank you,

-Darren

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I remember him! His email signature was something like his dad saying "if you don't do it right the first time you'll just have to do it again" or something like that.


From: "Hillary Nelson" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:34:57 AM
Subject: Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?
I really like David Hankins era, he has always been very responsive and explains things in detail. I wonder if there is still ISC staff monitor this list, or they try to encourage people to subscribe  ISC's DHCP Support and get questions answered there :)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, perl-list <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree!  Love to see a response from ISC.  At least a response confirming that it isn't currently supported would be welcomed.


From: "Hillary Nelson" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:12:11 AM
Subject: Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

I don't think it's supported... the question has been came up several time in the past but never got answered, it'll be great to know if ISC still plan to support OMAPI for DHCPv6 or not.

Hillary



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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

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I appreciate the answer Thomas!  I'll proceed without using OMAPI.

I plan to move to Kea in the future.  There are currently two showstoppers for me:

1) no equivalent to shared-network {} such that serving several different relayed networks is not possible.
2) no equivalent to allow / deny statements.

But I can see where it is going to be a good (possibly great) thing in the future!


From: "Thomas Markwalder" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?
Hello:

At this point in time, we do not have plans to extend OMAPI to support DHCPv6.  ISC DHCP is our legacy product and our primary development efforts are focused on it's successor, Kea.

Kea provides a REST API for issuing commands in JSON text.  This API is growing with each release and will offer a much richer set of abilities.  The current release of Kea, 1.2.0, added a control agent which provides an HTTP interface for issuing commands to and getting responses from Kea servers.  It also added commands to support host reservation management.

https://www.isc.org/kea-1-2/

Our next release, 1.3 adds commands to support lease and subnet management.

The Kea project wiki is here:

http://kea.isc.org/wiki

Regards,

Thomas Markwalder
ISC Software Engineering

On 8/18/17 10:12 AM, Hillary Nelson wrote:
I don't think it's supported... the question has been came up several time in the past but never got answered, it'll be great to know if ISC still plan to support OMAPI for DHCPv6 or not.

Hillary


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM, perl-list <[hidden email]> wrote:
It appears that DHCPv6 is not yet supported by omshell / OMAPI?

man omshell has no discussion of DHCPv6 specific things / IP addresses etc...

Attempting to use omshell to view a lease results in complaints about precision .. example:

> new lease

obj: lease

> set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:666

<STDIN> line 1: 2001 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:

                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 2e50 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:

                        ^

<STDIN> line 1: 444 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:

                                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 555 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:

                                      ^

<STDIN> line 1: 666 exceeds max (255) for precision.


^

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> open

can't open object: not found

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> 


Does anyone know if there are plans to implement OMAPI support in DHCPv6?

Or am I just doing something wrong?



Thank you,

-Darren

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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

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On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:43:32AM -0400, perl-list wrote:
> I plan to move to Kea in the future. There are currently two showstoppers for me:
>
> 1) no equivalent to shared-network {} such that serving several different relayed networks is not possible.
> 2) no equivalent to allow / deny statements.

3) no support for failover (last time I looked, I must admit)

It is quite frustrating to see the plug pulled on the legacy product
whiel the nwe product is not yet feature-par. I do understand that is
much more fun to work on cool new things instead of supporting legacy
stuff, but as a user I feel abanoned.

Greetings
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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

Thomas Markwalder
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To our valued ISC DHCP users:

We are eternally grateful to the many folks on this list who readily
share their knowledge and make the user community what it is.  There is
certainly a camaraderie and steadfastness on this list that isn't seen
all that often.

Regarding our responsiveness to this list, please remember that ISC is
small, non-profit organization. For nearly two decades now we have
provided DNS and DHCP software for free.  Our software has been used by
the world over to build businesses, organizations, and just plain cool
stuff.  The vast majority of installations will never generate even a
modest donation.  But then again, profit has never been our mission.  As
such, we must do what we can with the resources we have on hand.  
Support contracts and donations keep the lights on.

Sincerely,

Thomas Markwalder
ISC Software Engineering

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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

Thomas Markwalder
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On 8/18/17 10:43 AM, perl-list wrote:
I appreciate the answer Thomas!  I'll proceed without using OMAPI.

I plan to move to Kea in the future.  There are currently two showstoppers for me:

1) no equivalent to shared-network {} such that serving several different relayed networks is not possible.
Shared networks are being added in the next release, 1.3. which is due out this fall.

2) no equivalent to allow / deny statements.

Not sure if we have these on the roadmap yet or not.

But I can see where it is going to be a good (possibly great) thing in the future!


From: "Thomas Markwalder" [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?
Hello:

At this point in time, we do not have plans to extend OMAPI to support DHCPv6.  ISC DHCP is our legacy product and our primary development efforts are focused on it's successor, Kea.

Kea provides a REST API for issuing commands in JSON text.  This API is growing with each release and will offer a much richer set of abilities.  The current release of Kea, 1.2.0, added a control agent which provides an HTTP interface for issuing commands to and getting responses from Kea servers.  It also added commands to support host reservation management.

https://www.isc.org/kea-1-2/

Our next release, 1.3 adds commands to support lease and subnet management.

The Kea project wiki is here:

http://kea.isc.org/wiki

Regards,

Thomas Markwalder
ISC Software Engineering

On 8/18/17 10:12 AM, Hillary Nelson wrote:
I don't think it's supported... the question has been came up several time in the past but never got answered, it'll be great to know if ISC still plan to support OMAPI for DHCPv6 or not.

Hillary


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM, perl-list <[hidden email]> wrote:
It appears that DHCPv6 is not yet supported by omshell / OMAPI?

man omshell has no discussion of DHCPv6 specific things / IP addresses etc...

Attempting to use omshell to view a lease results in complaints about precision .. example:

> new lease

obj: lease

> set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:666

<STDIN> line 1: 2001 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:

                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 2e50 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:

                        ^

<STDIN> line 1: 444 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:

                                  ^

<STDIN> line 1: 555 exceeds max (255) for precision.

set ip-address = 2001:0:2e50:e8:0:444:555:

                                      ^

<STDIN> line 1: 666 exceeds max (255) for precision.


^

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> open

can't open object: not found

obj: lease

ip-address = 20:00:50:e8:00:44:55:66

> 


Does anyone know if there are plans to implement OMAPI support in DHCPv6?

Or am I just doing something wrong?



Thank you,

-Darren

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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

Thomas Markwalder
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On 8/18/17 10:57 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:43:32AM -0400, perl-list wrote:
>> I plan to move to Kea in the future. There are currently two showstoppers for me:
>>
>> 1) no equivalent to shared-network {} such that serving several different relayed networks is not possible.
>> 2) no equivalent to allow / deny statements.
> 3) no support for failover (last time I looked, I must admit)
Rather than implement two failover protocols,  Kea will address this
area with High Availability configuration, which will rely partly on
RDBMs replication.   We will be ironing that out in Kea 1.4.
 
> It is quite frustrating to see the plug pulled on the legacy product
> whiel the nwe product is not yet feature-par. I do understand that is
> much more fun to work on cool new things instead of supporting legacy
> stuff, but as a user I feel abanoned.
We aren't pulling the plug exactly.  Maintenance releases 4.3.6 and
4.1-ESV-R15 just went out 7/31.   Our next feature release, 4.4.0 is due
out January '18.   We are just unlikely to add major new undertakings.
A few things likely going into 4.4.0:

1. A hybrid behavior we're calling "dual-stack mixed-mode" for DDNS in
dual-stack environments with non-compliant clients.
2. dhcp-cache-threshold for V6.
3. EUI-64/DUID based address allocation
4. A handful of issues regarding v6 prefix delegation

> Greetings
> Marc



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Re: DHCPv6 / omshell / OMAPI ?

Hillary Nelson
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We've been using ISC DHCP/DNS for many years, those are best reliable softwares supporting our on mission critical systems. We really feel grateful for all the good work ISC has bee doing for providing such quality fundamental piece of software to the Internet community, also hosting the F-root!

But I really think ISC should think about not only rely on donation and support contractor to keep the lights on, should start to place license on enterprise level of use, and on those like Infoblox and F5 which makes big $$ using your software.

I know it wouldn't be problem for our organization to pay license for DNS/DHCP, but we always 'forgot' to donate.



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Vicky Risk
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We've been using ISC DHCP/DNS for many years, those are best reliable softwares supporting our on mission critical systems. We really feel grateful for all the good work ISC has bee doing for providing such quality fundamental piece of software to the Internet community, also hosting the F-root!

Thank you for that.

But I really think ISC should think about not only rely on donation and support contractor to keep the lights on, should start to place license on enterprise level of use, and on those like Infoblox and F5 which makes big $$ using your software.

You can see from the blog post and chart here https://www.isc.org/blogs/who-pays-for-iscs-open-source/ that OEM users contribute approximately 15 - 18% of our revenues already.  This is obviously a very small percentage of their revenues, but we can’t compel them to give us more.

ISC DHCP is open source and has always been free.  For many years we have had a very permissive license, the ISC license, and this is undoubtedly a significant reason why so many commercial products used it.  We are changing the sw license to MPL 2.0 with ISC DHCP 4.4.0 to encourage more commercial users to contribute, but that is the extent of our leverage.  (https://www.isc.org/blogs/isc-dhcp-moves-to-mpl-2-0-license/) The people who have the most influence with the OEM vendors are the purchasers of those commercial products, not ISC.

I know it wouldn't be problem for our organization to pay license for DNS/DHCP, but we always 'forgot' to donate.

Unfortunately, this is common. I am sure we got less than $1000 in user donations for ISC DHCP in all of 2016.  We have one full time senior software engineer on ISC DHCP, and several who work on ISC DHCP part-time.  ISC DHCP is old software, and difficult to extend or modify. As Thomas has already explained, we are doing the best we can with the resources we have.  

It is very hard to raise the money we do raise every year to support open source - we have had to reduce our staff twice recently and today we are are less than half the size we were in 2014.  If anyone on the list has any good ideas about how we can fund open source, we are certainly open to trying them.   

Regards,

Vicky Risk, Product Manager


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